Witness Theodore Thomas, outside the jury's presence, said he would plead the Fifth on questions about his grand jury testimony

Morning: a witness invokes the Fifth outside the jury's presence

Judge Anyiam told the witness that his attorney had informed the court he intended to invoke his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent, and he said he understood. 8:57 AM Thomas stated his name as Theodore Thomas, spelling it for the court reporter. 8:58 AM

Thomas agreed he testified before a Dallas County grand jury on February 13, 2025, and said he did not recall who was present that day. 8:59 AM The prosecutor showed him State's Exhibit 1008, a 143-page grand jury transcript, and Thomas identified himself and two others among the names listed. 9:01 AM

Thomas said he would plead the Fifth when asked if he recalled testifying about people including Markies Conway, Jerry Johnson and Kiwan White. 9:03 AM He also said he would plead the Fifth to questions about being in California with Conway in November 2020 and a conversation in Conway's Denali. 9:06 AM

Judge Anyiam told the state the witness appeared to be pleading the Fifth to all material questions and asked what the state wanted to do. 9:07 AM The defense asked Thomas whether he gave a recantation to Detective Barnes with his attorney present, and Thomas said he would plead the Fifth. 9:09 AM

The judge told Thomas he could step down, and the prosecutor asked that he not be released at that moment. 9:09 AM Later, the judge told the witness, outside the jury's presence, that he remained under oath and must return at nine the next morning with an attorney. 9:56 AM

Morning: the bail bond records

A witness identified herself as a bondsman who worked at a bail bonds company in 2020 and said Dallas police had asked for video and information on Kewon White. 10:01 AM Judge Anyiam admitted State's Exhibits 693 and 694 for record purposes. 10:05 AM 10:05 AM

The witness described State's Exhibit 691 as a payment history for Kewon White and said White owed 2,550 and paid 300 on November 11, 2020. 10:08 AM She testified, based on the records, that White had not been making payments and had missed check-ins before his Nov. 11, 2020 in-person visit. 10:10 AM She also testified that it does not happen too often for customers to come in early and pay multiple weeks in advance. 10:16 AM

On cross, the witness agreed that bringing cash to a bonding company is normal and that White's cash payment was a normal amount that was not exorbitant. 10:22 AM She agreed the paperwork lacked Conway's name and that White did not vouch for Conway or serve as his guarantor. 10:26 AM

Late morning: phone extractions

The state called Detective Abrams, and Detective Norman Abrams of the Fort Worth Police Department homicide division spelled his name for the court reporter. 10:27 AM 10:28 AM Norman Abrams, a detective, testified he worked this case as a DEA task force officer and cellphone downloader for the HIDTA group in Irving, Texas. 10:28 AM

Abrams identified six phones by exhibit number and said he did extractions on them, at different levels but successfully. 10:32 AM Judge Anyiam admitted State's Exhibits 737, 739, 741, 1152, 1153 and 1154 for all purposes after no objection was stated. 10:35 AM

Abrams described why extractions vary, citing whether a phone was locked or powered off and software needing to catch up with updates. 10:36 AM He testified he created an export containing everything and was not asked to decide which data was relevant. 10:40 AM The defense had no questions for Abrams, and he was released after neither side objected. 10:46 AM